Project M112: Getting started

Taylor02GT · 07-02-2007, 03:58 PM

So with me going to college and all, ive decided to keep my mustang. For those who don't know I have had many threads in Mustang Talk about selling me car. But ,since I have become a v6 enthusiast I have decided I want to do some work on my mustang myself. I had a long chat on MSN last night with slow_v6_stang about doing a M112 SC setup on my car. It sounds very do-able to me as long as I can get my hands on the same custom peice that mysteed has from SSM.

My plan:

There is no time limit on my project, it will take most likely a year or more to complete because I will be buying each part needed for the build one at a time untill the end. Save up, buy the parts, then start doing the work myself as a learning prosscess along with some of my friends and help from 3.8.

Parts:

Please help me add parts as I will probably forget them.

Cobra injectors
Cobra CAI
Cobra M112 Blower
New Gauges
Dual Exhaust
Dyno-tune/tune from VMP (both????)
Cobra plenum
Cobra TB
MAF
Fuel Pump???

What else?

Im trying to get a budget type deal going to save for some of the easier to get parts.

also, please don't lock this thread. Im going to be using it and updating it as I go along with my build. Don't plan on any engine pics anytime soon

Drew · 07-02-2007, 04:39 PM

Custom lower intake or intercooler

I dont know much about these builds but good luck with it.

Also maybe a taller hood

slow_v6_stang · 07-02-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowgreystang

Parts:

Please help me add parts as I will probably forget them.

Cobra injectors
Cobra CAI
Cobra M112 Blower
New Gauges
Dual Exhaust
Dyno-tune/tune from VMP (both????)
Cobra plenum
Cobra TB
MAF
Fuel Pump???

as far as gauges, probably a triple or dual a-pillar pod with boost and maybe fuel pressure? (other blown people chime in here). i have boost and wideband a/f, but i just have the wideband a/f for remote tuning purposes.

dyno tune would probably be a better option, as soon as i can afford it (probably next summer) i'll get my car dyno-tuned. my remote tune from VMP is somewhat temporary

you will need a 310lph ford focus fuel pump. VMP tuning sells these.

EDIT: also, the j-mod from VAPauto might not be a bad idea. really wakes up the automatic transmission

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Originally Posted by stangboy04

Custom lower intake or intercooler

I dont know much about these builds but good luck with it.

Also maybe a taller hood

people run the M112 on the v6 without an intercooler/heat exchanger

a taller hood will be needed, that or some modifications to the stock hood

LilRoush · 07-02-2007, 05:08 PM

Make sure the M112 has the TB, inlet plenum, by pass valve actuator and all the "little" parts that come with it. Otherwise it will be hard to find, and a pain the bank to buy new from Ford.

You'll need a new belt, the vaccume lines/connections, bolts to hold it all down, modified throttle cable, Cobra EGR delete kit, new gasket between blower and upper as well as upper and lower intakes, and most are going with an additional idler pulley now, too.

You'll need to modify the stock M112 to sit flush by machining down the stock intercooler lip off the bottom.

You'll want fuel pressure, boost/vaccume and a wide band O2 for gauges.

Need a blower that is already modified to use on the V6, I've got one in the FOR SALE section.

Drew · 07-02-2007, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by slow_v6_stang

people run the M112 on the v6 without an intercooler/heat exchanger

a taller hood will be needed, that or some modifications to the stock hood

Ok like i said i dont know much about these builds i was just throwing that out there

**mysteed** · 07-02-2007, 06:50 PM

Pretty much everything that Matt said. Also, you will need a Cobra TPS sensor, CNC adaptor plate (get it from Justin at VMP Tuning) as this allows you to modify your existing CAI to fit or you can get a Cobra CAI (like Steeda's CAI for example), you will also need to make a blockoff plate for the M112 (it's located underneath the boost bypass), as well as misc bolts and brackets that you will need to make (or you can have someone make you what you need).

1998232v6 · 07-02-2007, 07:09 PM

congrats!!!! and Good Luck!!!(and dont mess up your car like i did to mine

)

MEstang95 · 07-02-2007, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998232v6

congrats!!!! and Good Luck!!!(and dont mess up your car like i did to mine

)

car is still having problems??

1998232v6 · 07-02-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MEstang95

car is still having problems??

well lets just put it this way im going to look at a GT Tom. .....

MEstang95 · 07-02-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998232v6

well lets just put it this way im going to look at a GT Tom. .....

no, you have to make your car live...

slow_v6_stang · 07-02-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998232v6

well lets just put it this way im going to look at a GT Tom. .....

you weakling...i seriously will drive down there and get that **** thing running for you before i let you buy a different car

MEstang95 · 07-02-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by slow_v6_stang

you weakling...i seriously will drive down there and get that **** thing running for you before i let you buy a different car

i think frustration and the will to give up are setting in

slow_v6_stang · 07-02-2007, 08:05 PM

i should just drive my car down there and let him drive it...i guarantee that he'll get his car running then

Taylor02GT · 07-03-2007, 04:34 AM

Thanks guys. Im in no hurry to get this done, its going to be my project. Im just trying to make a list of everything I will need to start saving for and watching for on ebay/3.8FS/svtp.

As far as the blower itself, im going to hold off for a while and put some more money aside.

I'm also wondering how long its going to be before SSM gets that custom part out on the market like you have mysteed. That will really be the deciding factor when my project gets kicked into high gear.

EDIT: and when I get home tonight Ill revise my list of needed parts in a new post with everything everyone added, just to make sure ioff on the right foot.

tomzac · 07-03-2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by slow_v6_stang

a taller hood will be needed, that or some modifications to the stock hood

I would recommend a sawsall.

Brandon · 07-03-2007, 05:41 AM

I wouldnt dump money into an M112 setup when you can make much more power with a nice single turbo setup. With that said if its just something you wish to do for what ever reason then go for it... just know what you are getting into so you dont regret it.

tomzac · 07-03-2007, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Brandon

I wouldnt dump money into an M112 setup when you can make much more power with a nice single turbo setup. With that said if its just something you wish to do for what ever reason then go for it... just know what you are getting into so you dont regret it.

Wise words. I'm actually thinking t-turbo myself. The power you can get is crazy with them. And effective intercooling is a key part to FI.

chaoticdismay · 07-03-2007, 06:26 AM

i will copy and paste this thread when i get started on mine

Brandon · 07-03-2007, 09:04 AM

With just a turbo on the same boost I would make MUCH MUCH more power. The Eaton is one of the worst for power per psi out there... about the only thing you get is low end grunt from it.

investinwaffles · 07-03-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Brandon

With just a turbo on the same boost I would make MUCH MUCH more power. The Eaton is one of the worst for power per psi out there... about the only thing you get is low end grunt from it.

Well, this is usually a 'budget' setup. It would be a lot more expensive to go turbo.

LilRoush · 07-03-2007, 03:20 PM

I'd love to see a turbo set up make the same power as the M112 for the price. Plus the M112 is WAY oversized for the V6.....it makes it a very flexible blower you can expand on.

tomzac · 07-03-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by investinwaffles

Well, this is usually a 'budget' setup. It would be a lot more expensive to go turbo.

Please show me the usual budget for this endevor.

LilRoush · 07-03-2007, 03:38 PM

Cost of blower, injectors, fuel pump, MAF, belt, upper was less than $1000 out of my pocket. Install was a rip off, but I over charged myself.

I'd say ave cost would be $1800-$2000.

investinwaffles · 07-04-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LilRoush

Cost of blower, injectors, fuel pump, MAF, belt, upper was less than $1000 out of my pocket. Install was a rip off, but I over charged myself.

I'd say ave cost would be $1800-$2000.

I guess a budget turbo setup would cost around the same, but require a lot more fabrication work.

Taylor02GT · 07-04-2007, 09:30 AM

Well, I don't want something that needs tons and tons of fab like a turbo setup would. I deffinitly think the m112 would be easier for me to handle. Me and my dad will be working on it together but we both don't have any experience with this type of stuff, that would be the only thing that would turn me away from the project

Ive spent alot of time lately researching the project on here and buying the parts (cost, availability) and everything looks pretty do-able. Like I said, im not rushing this project, Its going to take some time because it will be a "budget" projecd while im in school.

**700hpv6** · 07-04-2007, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LilRoush

Plus the M112 is WAY oversized for the V6.....it makes it a very flexible blower you can expand on.

define oversized. cause i think a blower thats Maxed at 500rwhp as being way too small.

Taylor02GT · 07-04-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 700hpv6

define oversized. cause i think a blower thats Maxed at 500rwhp as being way too small.

So you are not suggesting the M112 swap then? Is there something else you recomend I do first? Or just something else completely?

**700hpv6** · 07-04-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowgreystang

So you are not suggesting the M112 swap then? Is there something else you recomend I do first? Or just something else completely?

its not for me is what i said.

if you like positive displacement blowers they are kinda cool. the only good thing about it is one day when you want to make real power(still need a intercooler badly) you can put on a Wipple or a kenne bell.

Brandon · 07-04-2007, 01:12 PM

Perhaps you should think more of hp/tq per boost and per dollar with the roots blower vs a turbo to really figure out which is the best bang for the buck. If you can make 350/350 with a 10psi turbo or you can make 250/250 with a m115 at 6 psi what in the end is better etc etc (I really dont know for sure what the average puts down just a number i put there) and all that.

I love the bottom end grunt the root blower offers and I would go with a whipple or KB if I upgraded my power adder just due to ease of use and price if I ever did it.. I personally dont care to have a super fast car to rag out at the track so its not top on my list. I was just pointing out what is the best way to make the best power overall. I love the sound of the root blower.

Taylor02GT · 07-04-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brandon

Perhaps you should think more of hp/tq per boost and per dollar with the roots blower vs a turbo to really figure out which is the best bang for the buck. If you can make 350/350 with a 10psi turbo or you can make 250/250 with a m115 at 6 psi what in the end is better etc etc (I really dont know for sure what the average puts down just a number i put there) and all that.

I love the bottom end grunt the root blower offers and I would go with a whipple or KB if I upgraded my power adder just due to ease of use and price if I ever did it.. I personally dont care to have a super fast car to rag out at the track so its not top on my list. I was just pointing out what is the best way to make the best power overall. I love the sound of the root blower.

Your are like me when It comes to what I want out of my sports car. I don't care if my car is a 10 sec. car. I want it to be fun to drive (enought power under my foot), have that roots sc whine, and be different from other cars around me.

Im not really looking for big numbers so I think the m112 would work for me.