RWHP needed for mid 12's with 3.27's - Page 2

pkupman_77 · 03-06-2008, 06:09 AM

I meant a DD. This means very little weight removal (jack, spare, etc.) but I did mean an upgraded 8.8 axle, with trac-loc, 3.27's. Also, I meant LCA's, and other suspension upgrades that would do well both at the strip AND on the street (I like corners too!) anything suspension wise that works for both would be fair game.

punypony · 03-06-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by myslow2002gt

260-270rwhp will get it done, assuming some weight reduction and a solid suspension setup.

it most certainly will if your race weight is 3100-3300

though it say 280-290 is more realistic for most peoples driving ability and considering he wants to keep stock gears.

drew_shipley · 03-17-2008, 05:20 AM

On stock 3.27 gears without weight reduction I'd say you'd need well over 300 rwhp for an average driver to hit a mid 12 (12.4x-12.6x).

There are several people that go to the local strips up here with 99-04 GT manuals making ~ 310 rwhp that consistently run 12.9-13.1 ETs on DRs. My personal best so far with 257 rwhp is a 13.2 @ 105 on DRs (and I have 4.10 gears). I hope to get that down to a 12.9-13.0 this season, but in no way do I think it's possible to run a mid 12 at my current power level unless I start pulling some major weight off the car and if I replaced my 4.10s with stock gears I doubt I'd even be in the low 13s currently.

V6procharged · 03-17-2008, 02:34 PM

id like to hit the 12s myself.

cooldbz12 · 03-26-2008, 04:54 PM

Here you go, this Mach had Just a Mid-pipe K&n Filter and drag Radials, and ran a 12.6 im guessing if it had 3.27s it would of done 12.8-12.9, and it shouldnt have more than 300rwhp.

Pretty cool run down the 1/4 in a 2003 Mustang Mac

Avaric3 · 04-08-2008, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cooldbz12

Here you go, this Mach had Just a Mid-pipe K&n Filter and drag Radials, and ran a 12.6 im guessing if it had 3.27s it would of done 12.8-12.9, and it shouldnt have more than 300rwhp.

Pretty cool run down the 1/4 in a 2003 Mustang Mac

but that mach also has a lot more torque

Gameboy_J · 04-08-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pkupman_77

The concept I had when I started the thread was a V6 DD that ran mid to high 12's (non-nitrous), and got 30 mpg. From what I gathered by this thread, it seems do-able. Another thing that could be considered for the fuel efficiency end is the aerodynamics, etc.

Good luck. I don't see that happening. I only got ~23mpg in my V6 in near stock form

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Originally Posted by Avaric3

but that mach also has a lot more torque

if it only has those mods then it shouldn't have much over ~300rwtq

cooldbz12 · 04-08-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Avaric3

but that mach also has a lot more torque

He asked for how much RWHP not torque.

l_shizzle_l · 04-08-2008, 04:48 PM

I could see high 12's with a M112 on a stock motor with exhaust and suspension.

V6procharged · 04-08-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by l_shizzle_l

I could see high 12's with a M112 on a stock motor with exhaust and suspension.

with drag radials and a good bit of boost.

imo

Gameboy_J · 04-08-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by l_shizzle_l

I could see high 12's with a M112 on a stock motor with exhaust and suspension.

jigga say what? How much boost you pushing???

l_shizzle_l · 04-08-2008, 05:57 PM

fnbaldtaco made 264/330 at 12 psi i think, that would get you real close i bet.

Edit: 14psi

V6procharged · 04-08-2008, 06:50 PM

was that intercooled? and he had no other mods?

l_shizzle_l · 04-08-2008, 07:02 PM

http://www.3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219260

Avaric3 · 04-09-2008, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cooldbz12

He asked for how much RWHP not torque.

tru, but that mach wouldnt run the 1/4 in that time if he had the torque of a v6 tho.

Gameboy_J · 04-09-2008, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by l_shizzle_l

fnbaldtaco made 264/330 at 12 psi i think, that would get you real close i bet.

Edit: 14psi

on a stock V6 motor? I hope you dont daily drive that thing!

DanTheMan18 · 04-09-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gameboy_J

on a stock V6 motor? I hope you dont daily drive that thing!

No joke.

Hell, I'd be scared to get on it, running that high of a boost without a built motor.

Click, click, boom.

V6procharged · 04-09-2008, 11:08 AM

it didnt say anthing bout intercooled or not. im assuming not because he didnt mention an intercooler when he posted a couple things he bought.

Gameboy_J · 04-09-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTheMan18

No joke.

Hell, I'd be scared to get on it, running that high of a boost without a built motor.

Click, click, boom.

Now I have that **** saliva song playing in my head

l_shizzle_l · 04-09-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTheMan18

No joke.

Hell, I'd be scared to get on it, running that high of a boost without a built motor.

Click, click, boom.

14 psi in this case is completley safe, it's the amount of horsepower and torque that the engine produces is what kills them. Example: you could make 400 rwhp with 12 psi on a TT setup on a stock motor, or make 500 rwhp with 12 psi and h/c/i etc... Which will go boom first?

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Originally Posted by Tom Y

Boost is just a measure of backpressure, backpressure really has nothing to do the power handling capability of the engine. Lets say this, in terms of horsepower and RPM's which are a much better way of asking the question

V6procharged · 04-10-2008, 04:03 AM

good statement. shizzle

itschristorres8 · 04-10-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by l_shizzle_l

14 psi in this case is completley safe, it's the amount of horsepower and torque that the engine produces is what kills them. Example: you could make 400 rwhp with 12 psi on a TT setup on a stock motor, or make 500 rwhp with 12 psi and h/c/i etc... Which will go boom first?

both most likely
J made 380rwhp with ported upper and lower intakes at 11.6psi i think it was or 12
so i dont think a stock motor would make 400rwhp at 12 with out race gas

500rwhp is a lot to for 12psi
someone ran a race kit, bv heads, p&p intakes at 15psi with meth and pulled 440rwhp

l_shizzle_l · 04-11-2008, 08:50 PM

The numbers arn't accurate but it's the point that matters.

pkupman_77 · 04-13-2008, 05:56 AM

This thread has certainly taken off!

I always thought the goal for a stout engine was the least amount of PSI needed to accomplish your HP goals....I always thought it was the back pressure that gave them issues, not the hp.

Jamez9538 · 05-01-2009, 10:19 AM

Oh wow, I just realized how old this is.

neatofrito1618 · 05-01-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamez9538

Oh wow, I just realized how old this is.

Jamez9538 · 05-01-2009, 12:48 PM

Its just funny how one page of 85 threads can span a year or more, lol.

JTsStang · 05-01-2009, 07:53 PM

300 hp will get you in the 12's on one of these cars,but it will take more than just power. Suspension has to be on point also.

sonicstang03 · 06-04-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by myslow2002gt

260rwhp with a streetable setup= 12's.

Obviously we all have different opinions of streetable setups, but I and many others have done it with no problems on daily driven cars.

not true.. i have 256whp and run 14.1's with 3.73's and DR's. but that certainly was a cold run either. it was at about 180*. thats also my dd.

punypony · 06-04-2009, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sonicstang03

not true.. i have 256whp and run 14.1's with 3.73's and DR's. but that certainly was a cold run either. it was at about 180*. thats also my dd.

then you have issues because i ran 12.70 w/ 263/340.